2/14/11

Too slow, old man

I spent my entire weekend - 8:30am to 6pm, Saturday and Sunday - at a financial modeling seminar. I learned some cool stuff, but I also got rebuked because of, of all things, my age.

Take a quick look at the following list:

Fastest Times:







35 Seconds
Yao Choong
Moelis & Co.
University of Pennsylvania
8/12/09
36 Seconds
Alan Hsieh
Credit Suisse
University of Pennsylvania
8/18/08
36 Seconds
David Berglas
Credit Suisse
Richard Ivey School of Business
8/6/10
37 Seconds
Olivia John
Blackstone
University of Pennsylvania
7/26/07
38 Seconds
Austin Peterson
UBS
Duke University
8/1/08
39 Seconds
Jason Lee
Morgan Stanley
University of California - Berkeley
8/1/08
39 Seconds
Donald Zhang
Lazard
Dartmouth College
7/24/09
40 Seconds
Ang Lee
Jefferies & Co.
University of Pittsburgh
7/20/07
40 Seconds
Benjamin Rafetto
Société Générale
Dickinson College
8/10/09
41 Seconds
Robert Volpe
Morgan Stanley
Dartmouth College
7/27/06
42 Seconds
Shane Hwang
BofA
New York University
7/24/08
42 Seconds
Will Brugh
Jefferies & Co.
University of North Carolina
7/25/08
43 Seconds
Fernando Oura
Itau BBA
University of Sao Paulo
12/18/09
44 Seconds
Andy Cao
Citigroup
University of Pennsylvania
7/30/10
45 Seconds
Raheem Choudhry
Morgan Stanley
University of Virginia
7/27/06
45 Seconds
Kevin Curry
Wachovia
Vanderbilt University
6/27/07
47 Seconds
Sam Lundin
Lazard
Cornell University
8/10/07
47 Seconds
Danny Pho
KeyBank
Case Western Reserve Univ.
9/12/08
47 Seconds
Jamie Harvey
Credit Suisse (Europe)
Oxford University
8/28/09
48 Seconds
Imran Choudhury
Jefferies & Co.
University of Richmond
7/25/08
48 Seconds
Mihail Ivanov
Société Générale
University of Chicago
8/10/09
49 Seconds
Jamie Seltzer
UBS
University of Pennsylvania
8/19/10
50 Seconds
Goeffrey Adler
Barclays
Colgate University
7/30/09
50 Seconds
Sampath Jinadasa
Credit Suisse
Stanford University
8/13/09
50 Seconds
Shutong Zhang
Perella Weinberg
University of Pennsylvania
8/28/09
51 Seconds
Keith Collins
Wachovia
Duke University
7/14/06
51 Seconds
Dusko Djukic
KeyBank
Case Western Reserve Univ.
9/20/06
51 Seconds
Zhou Zhang
Wachovia
Vanderbilt University
6/27/07
51 Seconds
Jackie Cobb
Jefferies & Co.
University of Michigan
7/20/07
51 Seconds
James Blanchard
UBS
Yale University
8/3/07
51 Seconds
Derek Weiss
William Blair & Co.
Dartmouth College
7/10/09
51 Seconds
Nate Barajas
William Blair & Co.
University of Illinois - Urbana C.
7/9/10
51 Seconds
Albert Chiang
Jefferies & Co.
UCLA
7/22/10
52 Seconds
Keima Ueno
Morgan Stanley
Tokyo University
8/3/07
52 Seconds
Dan Yu
Wells Fargo Securities
Wake Forest University
7/21/10
52 Seconds
Michael Burke
UBS
Duke University
8/20/10
53 Seconds
Thomas Akiyama
BofA
UC Berkeley
7/30/04
53 Seconds
Ivan La Frinere
Credit Suisse
California Institute of Technology
8/18/06
53 Seconds
Rawen Huang
Morgan Stanley
Yale University
8/3/07
53 Seconds
Matt Remsen
Jefferies & Co.
Kalamazoo College
7/22/10
54 Seconds
Greg Chory
BMO
Emory University
8/8/08
54 Seconds
Andrew Blickensderfer
KeyBank
Miami University (OH)
9/12/08
54 Seconds
Tom Fang
Walton Street Capital
University of Pennsylvania
7/23/10
55 Seconds
Michael C Meng
Lazard
University of Michigan
8/4/06
55 Seconds
Jonathan Fisher
Royal Bank of Scotland
Miami University (OH)
12/11/06
55 Seconds
Roman Pedan
Walton Street Capital
University of Pennsylvania
7/23/10
55 Seconds
Kevin Shiiba
Perella Weinberg
Georgetown University
8/20/10
56 Seconds
David Sokoler
Lazard
Harvard University
8/4/06
56 Seconds
Mike Moran
Jefferies & Co.
University of Pennsylvania
7/25/08
57 Seconds
Matt Collins
Credit Suisse
U. of Wisconsin
8/26/05
58 Seconds
Brent Frissora
BofA
Harvard University
7/28/06
58 Seconds
Mike Daylamani
Credit Suisse
Princeton University
8/18/06
59 Seconds
Tim Hannan *
Merrill Lynch
Tuck, Dartmouth
10/11/07
59 Seconds
Taylor Hendricks *
Morgan Stanley
Fuqua, Duke

8/14/08


These are the record times to complete a financial modeling exercise in MS Excel. The exercise basically tests how much of an Excel ninja you are. Thousands of business majors and MBAs have tried it, so there's a pretty sizable sample of skilled folks giving it a shot.

It took me just over five minutes to complete after a couple rounds of practice. With some more work, I think I could get it done in under three, but any faster than that is realistically pushing it for my abilities (thank god I am NOT a finance guy).

If you do it in under a minute, your name goes on the wall. Have a cookie.

...

That some people push very context-limited skills to their extremes is nothing new - witness Clark's track times on the original Mario Cart. I have no problem getting beat at such tasks/skills/tests by these people (though I'm proud to say that I have shown Clark Toad's rear bumper a time or two).

What I have a problem with is being told I can't even compete at something if I wanted to because I'm too old.

Becoming too old to compete in tests of skill you once could is a fact of life. Just ask Brett Favre. Or any female gymnast who can legally drink.

But it had never happened to me until yesterday.

After going through this exercise the moderator showed us the list above. He then pointed out that only two people on the list, out of about 60, are MBA students - and they're both right at the bottom. Sounds counter-intuitive, right? Afterall, to even be in an MBA program you have to have several years of work experience, and these peeps were likely financial analysts on Wall Street honing their Excel and modeling skills for a couple years in an environment where seconds matter. So why don't more make the cut?

Because, as the instructor explained, us MBAs are too old. By virtue of the fact that most of us are 6-10 years older than the 21 year-old financial phenoms on this list, our reflexes are actually measurably slower than theirs. "You're too slow, you old farts!"

And so at the ripe old age of 27 I was dealt my first ever "you're too old to hack it" moment. I fear this is the first in an ever growing cascade of such moments, until I'm finally too old to do anything at all and just die. I spent the rest of my Sunday evening pondering my own mortality during Simpsons commercial breaks.


Damn you MS Excel. Damn you financial modeling. Damn you 21 year-olds and your lightning fast reflexes.

7 comments:

  1. I tried drinking with some college students who are part of our summer staff this weekend and had a similar thing happen. Except I waited until the morning to barf.

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  2. Totally kosher. That's just the equivalent of holding out till the offseason to heal. Not too old yet ;)

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  3. Hi G Rat. Thanks for the nice post.
    Btw, can you please tell me where did you get the list? I took the TTS's excel training session before and tried the excercise. My name should have been there but can not find.

    Regards :)

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  4. You did that in under a minute!? Epic!

    But that also means you made me feel old. Not so epic ;)

    I pulled this from the lead sheet of on of the data files they sent us to practice on. They've been nothing be helpful with me - try sending them an email and I'm sure they'll get back to you. The case looks like it was put together in Sept '10 so if you beat it after then that might be why.

    P.S. Fitting name... ;)

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  5. I tried the exercise in Aug 2007, and got 42sec. But I was in a one month training course and practiced it without having lunch and dinner every day. So you don't have to feel old at all :)

    Will send them an e-mail and ask why my name is not there.
    Thank you :)

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